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  1. I think that the represtation is great i am a surviver of a house fire, at the age of 2 years and 9 mouths old, 60% burns, and fell in a coma for a few days, but people dont treat me as an = allthough I can do things as good as them.

  2. I suspect the new Ms. Marvel was created not because Marvel felt they needed the diversity that much, but because they couldn't abandon the name after they renamed the old Miss Marvel Captain Marvel to keep DC from reclaiming the trade rights to that name. DC or another company would have snatched "Miss Marvel" for themselves eventually. Now, I'm not saying making her a Pakistani girl is a bad idea, in fact I'm happy to see such a positive role model be successful these days. But let's be fully honest OK?

  3. Bloody hell! At 6:54, that's my old local comic shop in Croydon, England! Was not expecting to see it…anywhere, really, but probably least of all here.

  4. Now that were months later, We have seen the effects of Kamala with many more female lead titles, companies all pushing further diversity and all that. Kamala continues to prove that a person of any race, gender, and anything can sell so long as you write it well, give it a proper push and give it love. 

  5. Overweight comic book store owners are greatly underepresented within comic books. They are the primary customer not the very tiny Muslim American audience. C'mon!

  6. Better representation in the media might seem like a no-brainer, but I'm looking at those pictures of Sana Amanat, G. Willow Wilson, and Adrian Alphona and wondering what nationality and religion they are.  One often-given admonishment to writers is to write what you know, and it looks to me like Kamala Khan's creators have done just that.  They may have strayed from the more traditional comics view, but only because they're doing the same thing previous comic book creators did.  Are Siegel and Shuster somehow deserving of blame because they created Superman/Clark Kent in the 1930s as a white male?  Even many of the popular Marvel superheroes were created by Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, and Steve Ditko in the early 60s, white men, all of the them. 

    You could say that the creators need to have a more diverse background, or learn and research more that they can put into their creations, and certainly the better writers and artists have done that.  And, of course, the comic book industry has had a stigma of being considered kid stuff and inferior literature to overcome.  Kamala Khan's heritage and character does provide some interesting ideas to explore but how much difference will they really make when she goes up against a major supervillain like Doctor Doom?  Will she use her superpowers differently in some way than say, Carol Danvers did?

    I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not against better representation per se, but let's not forget that the primary purpose of the story is to entertain.  Nor should we get too excited because a creator is doing what seems natural to them.  The real question remains, are they good creators producing good work?

  7. I personaly don't like it when ever you change an established charictors ethnistys gender or sexual orientation because it's lazy representation. I feel that mostly we need new characters to bring across representation of people. Obviously I make an exception to that when the story is well written. Or when the super hero is an interchangeable mantel that is established can be more than one person. Like the crow

  8. I utterly love the new Ms.Marvel, and event though I cannot relate to the racial discrimination she faces due to her Pakistani/Muslim background since I am white, I can definitely relate to her wishing to be in someone else's skin, especially the skin of someone who is famous and has immense power, such as Captain Marvel. When I was younger, I believed that if I weren't me (with both my looks and my life), then I'd be much happier with myself and my world, and portrayed this desire to be someone else by wishing I was at Hogwarts and had magic powers. As I got older I got more comfortable in my skin and in my life, but I still wouldn't pass up the chance to go to Hogwarts.
    The thing is, Kamala Khan is the pop-culture nerdy, awkward, not really sure how to connect with her fellow teens teenager that I am, and I'm undoubtedly sure that there are Muslim/Pakistani people who are reading this comic and are giddy with delight at the thought of someone like them. This just goes to show that having well-written women and people of color (poc) is a step in the right direction for comic books and media in general. We need more of this.
    And to those of you saying "but you're messing with someone's fave character!!", please stop. I am much more interested in a black/Latino Spider-man than the actual Peter Parker. The whole white people are the only people thing in media is boring, overused, and offensive, and by saying that they're messing with someone's favorite character you're basically saying that you don't want well-written representation in media. Also, the whole passing on the Ms.Marvel title to Kamala is so that there is already a well-established and well-known character, so it's a like a starting point to introduce the new carrier of that well-known title to someone who will appeal to a much larger demographic and fan base. It's basic marketing: take something well-known and loved, and make it even better.

  9. I think Kamala Khan is a catalyst for positive change in media and for youth to have someone to identify with. I love Marvel.

  10. I love that you choose to feature such a salient topic and bring it to my attention! I definitely love it when people take a chance to include such a positive representation of an underrepresented group 🙂

  11. it encourages variety, and knowledge. not many people know what life is like outside of their own lives, and stuff like this just puts things into perspective for the better.

    Plus in the end it's not about glorifying another race because "White guilt" but because "hey, just keepin' things interesting" We'll always have out peter parker's, our Klark kents. But having People like Miles and Kamala is equally important. Plus anyone can relate to either.

    You don't need to be white to relate to Spidey, nor Black to relate to Miles. But you do infact get perspectives on how that race kind of is because of it. Espeacily in kamala's case where in america Muslims have to deal with some pretty irritating things and their own little troubles.

  12. Now can we get a south american super hero living in NY. And that is south american, not puerto Rican, not mexican. It's kinda a label all hispanic people receive anywhere above central america.

  13. I never heard much about Kamala Khan before until I heard rumours about a possible Miss Marvel TV show featuring her set in the MCU. After reading a few infos about her I must say I hope this show becomes a thing. Not because she's female or moslem, although I'm fine with that, but just because her overall character seems… interesting. Especially how she is a superhero-fan who becomes a superhero.
    Gender and religion are of course integral parts of who a person is but it is NOT a persons entire personality. I'm all for diversity but it can't work the way that new characters are solely built upon their gender or religion for extra diversity-points. It must feel natural and Kamala Khan seems to be a perfect example for this.

  14. Funnily enough, people who complain about minorities wanting representation in media are people whose groups are already represented… aka cishet white men

  15. understanding others is achieved through a detailed description of what their lifes are like and what our lifes are like. novels and other media lets us transport ourselves into the worlds they portray and experience and feel whats going on from withing, thus recieving a warmer and more emotional understanding of others as people. however media cant do the job all by itself, its just part of what helps the community improve, become more aware and concious of these things in order to change them and improve them.

    i love this idea so much, thanks for explaining it with such clarity.

  16. I don't know why this is such a big deal. The X-Men, and mutants in general in the Marvel comic universe are basically supposed to be an allegory for minorities. The fact that the new Ms. Marvel isn't white is fairly consistent with that.

  17. Lazy comic writers. Create new characters if you want more races. Stop stealing existing characters. Isn't it insulting to think other races need to steal other characters to be popular? Can't they stand on their own?

  18. Am I the only person who gets really annoyed by this exclamation over the idea of minority figures as main characters. Its as if popular media is unable to write good interesting characters without orgasaming over how different they are. I don't think marvel (or many other big producers of pop culture) gives a single shit about how diverse there characters are, unless it brings greater media attention and therefore money.

  19. I think this is another case of "what his name" not understanding how something works. Like the Comic Book Industry. Like Not understanding that what the Comic Book Industry dose. Doesn't effect other media at all (especially movies). The fact that the Comic Industry is dying out. The fact the comic book industry is been running out of idea for the last 20 years and relaying on Gimmick to keep afloat. And Finally that nothing is permanent in Comic Books. If Female Thor sales tank. In the manner of weeks. Thor will have his balls back.

  20. Ok, I think there's a part of the problem not being addressed. I'm am an amateur fiction writer in the making and I've consumed a lot of media, but I feel safe in guessing that the writers of these largely white media, are white them selves, and the fact that the characters and world's they create are mostly populated by white people; Might be because they don't feel comfortable to make assumptions or are to comfortable because it feels socially correct and feel it will sell better.

    Bottom line, it seems to me that the media appears ignorant, because the writers might be. What I've observed is that when you write characters, you tend to write yourself into a senario,then see what would you do.

    When people run out of known facts we make up our own out of glimpses of reality. It's how most people's minds work, it's how we make sense of the world. In our blind spots we make guesses via fragments of what might be fact, therefore we get it wrong a lot of the time. fragments make a rather abstract world.

  21. Please accept my opinion and know that I by no means am belittling, disrespecting or undermining minorities.

    It's like you said early on in the video. The world of fiction is simply not true. And that's why we love them. At least that's why I love them. 

    There shouldn't be diversity in comics. Why should they? If you are going to tell me "to create a world based on reality" then let me tell you, how real is our world compared to the comics?

    We are talking about a world that has multiple gods, aliens, alternate universes, resurrecting the dead more than once. Especially if they are main characters who died more than once, rebooting the universe(s)…etc. How any of the above is based on reality?

    How is watching you parents getting killed will make you a self righteous vigilante dressed like a Bat? How is getting struck by lightening makes the fastest man alive?

    If we are allowed to just "ignore and enjoy" the above examples, then why on earth is diversity is a must issue? Why people think that the only path of acceptance is by having someone make a character based on their repectful race in the world of fiction? Why do they think that this is the only way?

    How any of that will help? So Kamala Khan was created. Great. Does that mean people will finally know that not all Muslims are terrorists and some of them can be heroes/heroines. What does that tell us as humans? That we only learn via a means of entertainment. Why can't we think logically and reasonably anymore regarding some issues.

    Take "Game of Thrones" for instance. Aside from the Dornish, how many non-white character can you name? Aside from the pirate who is Davos's friend and Zoran something something, the rest are as white as snow. Yet everyone from every ethnicity watch and enjoy this show and love some of the very much white characters. You don't see anybody saying "let's have a Valeriyan who is Asian".

    The problem is that we have been led to believe that the only way of being accepted is by being represented. The media is to blame for the stereotypes. But there is the problem. Fix the media. Not "let's introduce a minority". 

    Aside from the X-Men who were created for the diversity part (or so I was told), minorities don't need representation. What they need is someone who will understand them. And by that I mean through dialogue. As in anything not related to the entertainment.  

    The world of fiction depicted that the White species is strong and somewhat supreme. So let them have it. We all know that's not true. Why should we play their game of "false depiction"? And no I'm not generalizing here. I'm pointing towards those who are using it for that sort.

    And don't think that DC or Marvel really care about equality. It's always about the money and marketing with these guys. And we fall right through it.

  22. This guy is a crazy good speaker an I love his opinions and humble too you don't get that a lot on youtube

  23. I like the idea of more representation and diversity, but not when a character has no reason to be diverse. an example would be the human torch. He has no reason to be black in the new movie (his sister is a white blonde and he is black with black hair) when he is, in every other version, he's a white guy with blond hair.

  24. Ms Marvel is insincere and cynical attempt at hijacking existing character for manufactured diversity. if there was a more genuine creation, i would have loved it, because truth be told, comic books are in dire need of diversity. this is why many comic book fans are upset, not because they are butthurt "cis white" males, but because they see through this media headline attempt and know it rings false.

  25. If you want a diversive comicbook story about a serial killer, you peeps should check out 'A Voice in the Dark.' The main character, a murderer, is a mixed-race female! Most refreshing.
    And due to not being able to use his arms, the author writes/draws the comics using his mouth!

  26. I do like the Kamala version of Ms. Marvel. I've been a subscriber since the very start, championing the series from day one. HOWEVER, I feel sometimes it's a tad overrated (I always see the Comixology star ratings). I'm not knocking the importance of her identity – that's a no-brainer. I'm saying that for me, storytelling is important, and the story on its own terms is sometimes just average. But it's also sometimes good. 🙂

  27. If diverse character is well done, I don't mind the diversity and will welcome it, like in this case. Kamala is a muslim and pakistani, but that is NOT who she is. She isnt brought down to that. Its part of her character but its NOT her character, and that makes her feel real.

    When a diverse character, like say FemmeThor is made to be openly a statement and lets be honest…pandering to an agenda, its just done bad. Since Thor became female, the writers handled said aspect mostly wrong and thats what alienated comic readers. Because heres the thing, the younger generations of today? Even if they're white and nerdy and males, they're not by some default bigoted, sexist or homophobic. They, or rather we are receptive towards things that are different from the norm, like Kamala, if they're done well.

    Short Personal History, I'm bisexual, and I teeend to come out as that at some point in groups I participate in, like say…work, or school when I still went there. I didnt do it right at the start and I didn't made it a huge deal, I basically mentioned it on the side because it was something that I am, but not all of it and I dont like to push my sexuality into others peoples faces since I don't like the same done so me. And that has shown me that even among peers I thought would be "biggoted", that was accepted. Because again, people ARE receptive for this, often the last people you'd think off (a gay soccer player recently got a catholic sports award for integration and help in communal development, which IS awarded by a part of the catholic church) as long as you don't make it all you are. Which also a reason I am kinda on the edge with the LGBT "community", since I got mostly hostility from "representatives" for being "a traitor, since I am half of one of them breeders", and I don't like pride parades that basically slap "OMG WE'RE SO GAY/TRANS, ACCEPT US" into peoples faces, often with provocative messages like being dressed up as gay priests or walking down the street pretty much buck naked except for a leather daddy outfit with your junk dangling around, no matter if there could be children present.

  28. our media is somewhat better than certain groups would lead you to believe but there is still a lot issues we should be addressing. as long as they are characters first and (insert group of people here) second, diversity is a great thing because the world is diverse. ps the bethel doesn't really prove anything

  29. from the view of a middle aged W.A.S.P. its about bloody time. after all Allah loves wonderous diversity. that truth is self evident if one only looks around, as the world and universe and cosmos is full of amazing diversity.

  30. The fact that Kamala is Muslim is an aspect of a (particular) great character but not enough to make her great on its own and I think this is something a lot of the overly excited people miss. Ms. Marvel is still (here in late 2015) one of the best superhero comics on the go right now and deserves its success.

    But I think people are willing to get excited for bland (or bad) characters if they check enough diversity boxes. Nobody really cares about the female Thor, who actually had a smaller role in Secret Wars than Beta Ray Bill, Ultimate Thor, Thor Odinson, frigging Frog Thor, and a bunch of Thors they just made up for the crossover. Sam Wilson is still mostly secondary to Steve Rogers, the original Captain America, who is still hanging around being a major figure in the Marvel universe. (Though Sam's new series by Nick Spencer is really good so far.) The new Supergirl TV series couldn't possibly be more blah and self-congratulatory. But people get excited for them because they're about women and minorities. Ms. Marvel shows us that a story can be about a woman (well, a girl) AND a minority AND be a really good story all at once and I don't think people should be willing to put up with less from media just because it's about something other than a straight white guy.

  31. 4:00 Small correction/Clarification, She already was "caucasian", don't mix up "caucasian" with "white". Middle easterners, some North African ethnic groups, Pakistanis, and Indians are all caucasian, white people are just one small part of the world's caucasian population.

  32. I don't get why real world Religion's exist in the Marvel Universe, when you have Thor the 'God' of Thunder flying about. Would people in the Marvel Universe that are Muslims consider Thor to even be a God, when they are taught that Allah is the one and only God? I get that they are trying to be diverse but using Religion from our reality doesn't work in a Superhero world, for example the existence of Valhalla is enough to debunk all other Religions.

  33. I want to point out it's largely a vicious cycle. we see a cis straight white male dominated media industry, grow accustom to it, and subconsciously start to gravitate towards media that represents this specific demographic.

  34. 4:40: I'm not sure if you intended to suggest that that man is Pakistani and Muslim, but for the record he's Sikh, and probably Indian (based on his age, most Sikhs left Pakistan after the partition).

  35. Some characters are so big, fans are going to flip out whether you replace them with a similar character or someone really different. New Ms. Marvel has some big shoes to fill, Carol Danvers has an almost 50 year publication history in which she is a seminal part of many Marvel stories.

  36. I think the real impact will happen once we see kids start growing up with this kind of media. All that stuff you said movies don't tell us about what the world is really like is starting to show up now, but the little bit we've seen is not enough to get through 20+ years of exposure to the stereotypes we have now. Once people grow up alongside all of it and can really absorb it, that's when we'll see what kind of difference it can really make.

  37. I think diversity in media is great.. However what isn't great is forcing the artists hand to write and draw something that wasn't naturally inspired in order to shield themselves from backlash by others.. or because that is what others tell them to do.. If i want to make a superhero that was about a female or male superhero that is very sexual in nature.. and it just happened to become popular I shouldn't get backlash for that.. I just get the feeling people are trying to force artists to create things that make them feel good rather they are inspired by such things or not. .. there is a HUGE difference between inspired work and uninspired forced work.. some people i suppose don't see it.. but other artists will usually.. when you read something or watch something and it feels soulless or empty despite the page or screen being full of imagery and words.. or seems half assed.. that is usually a sign of forced or pressured/uninspired work..

    So as i said diversity is great so long as the work is genuine… If some of these groups want so badly to be represented then they need to step up and represent themselves.. and submit their work for publishing.. imo that is the only way to get genuine work. You cant expect a person who does not live your life or experience your hardships to be inspired by it.. as harsh as that may sound…

  38. hi youre amazing i cant say it enough. im the kind of person who really dislikes p much all cishet white men but you are so good and smart and not mansplainy and as a nonbinary brown girl i feel v safe and good watching you

  39. When I first found out that there was a Muslim character who was a girl and Pakistani, I screamed. Literally screamed. I told my granny, and my friend and the looks on their faces were of excitement and just. This is sooo important to us Muslims in Pakistani. She's a Pakistani American who's a super hero and really cool! She's a nerd and well… Her character is well written. Its amazing. She's amazing. The person who wrote her character is amazing!

  40. I want to go into cartoon creation when I'm older and I'm always hoping for advances in the professional creation industry. I often find myself, when working out my ideas now, that I am a little hesitant to have it tackle heavier subjects, even though I really want to and know I should. But as I look back at my ideas I see how they've grown as I have grown and learned about the world. All I hope is that the industry is ready to mature as I have.

  41. It sounds like a good idea, but are they really representing her as a muslim? Do they explore they portray the struggles she goes through to maintain and act as her beliefs? Tbh, I haven't read the comics, but I suspect that that is the case.

    If you're interested in what I mean by "acting as her beliefs", I urge you to watch the videos on hijab made by the channel TalkIslam

  42. Kept hearing Miss Marple… who is also awesome and a crime fighting super hero while being a dear old lady, another under-represented group.

  43. If there were more Lebanese-American/other Arab-Americans represented in the media when I was little, I probably wouldn't have dyed my hair so much to look more white (I white-pass, but I basically tried so hard to be totally Irish to stay away from the negative stereotypes of Arabs.)
    I wish I had grown up with more confidence and it wouldn't have taken until my late teens to start loving my almond eyes and high cheek bones and big nose

  44. Thank u so much. This is very important to Many people and Im glad u did this. As a gay male it's awesome things like this are being discussed.

  45. I am really trying to get into Ms. Marvel, but I still perfer Strom, Rogue, Catwomen (depending on your view) and Jessica Jones. Having a really hardtime getting into Ms. Marvel story–not just because of who she is but she doesn't seem to have that much action.
    Jessica Jones wears what she wants to wear. She was also Jewel.
    Storm lost her powers but still ended up winning.
    Catwomen does what Catwomen does.
    Rogue, well, I just like Rogue.

  46. well, just binged read the ms marvel series. loved it! it's fun. i am not a muslim but being raised in a hispanic and religious household i was able to relate A LOT to her.

    more of this marvel please. 🙂

  47. What's really fun about Kamala is that she is the audience. She's a comic book nerd. She watches anime. She describes her battles with super-villains using MMORPG lingo. She's awkward and dorky. Perfect.

    If you haven't read this comic, do check it out.

  48. Ms. Marvel even adds representation to the LGBT community, Kamala's friend Nakia was recently revealed to be a lesbian.

  49. False diversity in comic-books and forcing PC-shit in it ruins everything. Ive started to read independet comic-books without this cultural-marxist horseshit. Marvel can go to hell for what I care.

  50. I don't like Kamala Khan but she seems to have a big audience so maybe I should just accept her for being the new Ms. Marvel 🤔

  51. I for one really appreciated how much realistic flavour, not just her but the supporting characters, her family etc, have as human beings. It's well written and I think that's the critical element.

  52. This is so cringeworthy ms marvel was made for a agenda nothing more and nothing less she can't teach us anything about comics except what not to do

  53. What I think is BS is within this Diversity world is that why don't they just make a new character, instead of deleting characters that was around for many years… Just create a new character. To many and to actually other ppl that I have talked with has also agreed with me.. But it starting to seem America is making it to be that it is racist toward white ppl and i guess being racist toward White ppl is not racist and only racist if white ppl show it or make something be all white. Racist is racist regardless and changing every white character to kiss up to every other race is racist and insult. If they changed Blade or even Storm to a white person, then its racist BUT to change a white character, then it is not. What is with these double standards. Dont even bother posting a comment on saying that Im racist or anything. Im not gonna read it nor care. I just wanted to post my opinion and how this is BS. Its sad also that in comics, no new character is original any more or new. Just recycle a white character and change the race and/or sex and there we go. Its pretty sad actually. You want to have the world show a diversity world and racism is dead BUT killing off a white character for a diverse one, is also racist! Hate me… I dont care. But trying to make a hero be a Muslim is pretty sad. Not all Muslims are villains, this is true but what do you think the rest of the world will think, by seeing this. Muslim Terrorist have not only killed thousands of Americans, including the club in Orlando, FL but around the world. A religion that is seen in other countries, which speak of hate and killing… But let that's ok. Yes, not every Muslim is like and it's sad Labeling is out there. Yet, before you change something for may become better… But make sure you don't piss off others at the same time. Plus, as great as the idea of showing a Muslim Superhero may be, it wont change the mind set of those that are Terrorist. Again, hate me and delete my post… You are only proving my point.

  54. Funny to see this years later, when all of these worthless "diversity" characters have been cancelled. We wanted comics, not ideology.

  55. Yup…cuz comics are just totally getting more sales and aren't tanking but hey let's not focus on a good story – let's just dump characters as long as they're diverse and hope for the best – it's working wonders right now isn't it? For the millionth billionth time…real comic fans have zero problems with diverse characters — we just don't like poorly written ones and poorly written stories.

  56. I loved this video. With everything I am. When you acknowledged the POC and marginalized peoples watching this and said "I hope I'm doing it justice", I fully cried. This was such a good explanation. UGH. SO HAPPY.

  57. She is a Fake Muslim With a Hindu First Name for some unknown reason. I mean there hundreds of Muslim Pakistani Names they can give but why would you steal a Name from Different community. No Muslim girl has the Name Kamala which is Name for a Hindu Goddess and are names given to Hindu Girls.

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